The Fake Drums Thread

[WhiskeyJack]

Its probably a fair bit more advanced than EZ Drummer or Slate.

No probably about it. EZD is a Ford Focus. SD3 is a Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor.

[JD01]

Its probably a fair bit more advanced than EZ Drummer or Slate.

No probably about it. EZD is a Ford Focus. SD3 is a Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor.

I actually own a focus. I don't feel qualified to fly a raptor

[vomitHatSteve]

I'm pretty sure my grand caravan has a lot more cargo space than a raptor and is able to pass an emissions test.

This metaphor is falling apart all over the place!

[Greg_L]

Why can't you have both?

[vomitHatSteve]

*slaps roof*
This baby can store so much killing everyone you love!

[JD01]

OK,

Here's a standard mix of my old drum sound and my first mix of my new drum sound.

Old Drum Sound.mp3

First New Drum Sound.mp3

This is my old drum sound EQ'd and processed straight out of a mix.
The new drum sound has the same ReaComp preset for NY Drum Buss on it as the old one with a few little tweeks. I always found this worked well.
I've also done various sends to a reverb impulse in a similar way to the old one.
There's no EQ or compression on any of the new drums yet.

First impression, the new stuff sounds more like actual drums and they're clearly better quality sounds. But I need to do some work on them.
Any tips would be great.

[Greg_L]

OK,

Here's a standard mix of my old drum sound and my first mix of my new drum sound.
Old Drum Sound.mp3
First New Drum Sound.mp3

This is my old drum sound EQ'd and processed straight out of a mix.
The new drum sound has the same ReaComp preset for NY Drum Buss on it as the old one with a few little tweeks. I always found this worked well.
I've also done various sends to a reverb impulse in a similar way to the old one.
There's no EQ or compression on any of the new drums yet.

First impression, the new stuff sounds more like actual drums and they're clearly better quality sounds. But I need to do some work on them.
Any tips would be great.

The second one does sound more like raw real drums. I don't like the "room" on it though. New sounds more roomy and washy than old.

[JD01]

OK,

Here's a standard mix of my old drum sound and my first mix of my new drum sound.
Old Drum Sound.mp3
First New Drum Sound.mp3

This is my old drum sound EQ'd and processed straight out of a mix.
The new drum sound has the same ReaComp preset for NY Drum Buss on it as the old one with a few little tweeks. I always found this worked well.
I've also done various sends to a reverb impulse in a similar way to the old one.
There's no EQ or compression on any of the new drums yet.

First impression, the new stuff sounds more like actual drums and they're clearly better quality sounds. But I need to do some work on them.
Any tips would be great.

The second one does sound more like raw real drums. I don't like the "room" on it though. New sounds more roomy and washy than old.

Yeah. The new one has more reverb.
On the old one the dry on the reverb track is set to -inf and the wet is set to -5.5 on the new one it's set to 0.

I'm gonna reduce the verb and then start trying to EQ it.

[JD01]

OK - I'm starting to find out that this is a seriously versatile program!

New Drum Sound Mix 2.mp3

[JD01]

I've put some stuff in a mix to help me hone this in on what I'm after.
Any tips, greatly appreciated

Old Drums In A Mix.mp3

New Drums In A Mix 1.mp3

OK - here's another attempt - think I'm edging closer.

New Drums In A Mix 2.mp3

[Greg_L]

I've put some stuff in a mix to help me hone this in on what I'm after.
Any tips, greatly appreciated

Old Drums In A Mix.mp3
New Drums In A Mix 1.mp3

I don't know what you got going on with the kick and bass in the "new drums" but it aint working. Very boomy and too resonant in the lows.

[paulman]

I find it hard to compare the two mixes, because the first one sounds more polished (brighter and louder) overall than the new one. The whole mix, not just the drums. To my ears the old one sounds better, drums and all, but it just sounds like more was done to the whole mix to make it that way. The new one sounds dry and a little duller than the old one.

[Tadpui]

There's definitely something funky going on with the new one. It sounds like there's a blanket wrapped around my head compared to the first one, there's a lot of loss of higher frequencies that makes it sound pretty dark overall. The sounds are great though!

[JD01]

Ah lovely. Another morning of sitting at my desk just listening to drum loops.

[JD01]

I think I'm gonna play guitar instead. It's not like I'm in a rush to get these drums perfect.

Most importantly I've learned that the MIDI programming is transferable so when I've cracked it I can just switch templates.

The other thing I've learned is that EZ Drummer samples are very processed to make them as easy to mix as possible

[JD01]

OK - here's my next attempt, think I'm getting better, but I have to log off for a while now.

New Drums In A Mix 2.mp3

[Greg_L]

OK - here's my next attempt, think I'm getting better, but I have to log off for a while now.
New Drums In A Mix 2.mp3

Hmmm, no net there yet. That kick is not good. It sounds like a hammer hitting a bucket. And it's too loud. It's hard to describe kick attack, but instead of a click, go with a thwap. That's the only way I can describe it. It's a thwap instead of click. Dumb, I know, but that's what it is. Can you choose kick beater material in that program? If so, try a wood or plastic beater for the kick drum.

The snare is a little too splatty....as in too much bottom mic or too much overhead or something. It needs more top head attack.

[JD01]

Cheers, I’m hoping to get some more time on it later.

[JD01]

Here's attempt No3. (my ears are getting tired now)

New Drums In A Mix 3.mp3

[JD01]

Well... that's a fuck up.