New Honey Hunters - Grimm

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New Honey Hunters - Grimm

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So, I may be showing my age again... I'm assuming that people understand what the song is actually about, but perhaps they won't. Grimm, not grim, as in the Brothers Grimm, authors of most of the great fairy tales now being Disneyfied and Pixarred to death on a screen near you... so back before we had electricity, it was common for young children to gather together in a fire lit room at grandmother's place and be read to, by said grandmother, often from a book called The Tales of the Brothers Grimm. And said grandmother, being a frustrated actor, would ham up all the parts... wicked witches, wolves etc. with the aim of scaring the grandchildren.

Or something like that. So this song is the writer telling the story of their grandmother and this book of fairy tales. Not my grandmother. I only had one grandparent and she shuffled off this mortal coil when I was 11, although she probably read us tales from this book from time to time. Informed at the other end of life by my and some of my friend's recent experiences with old age and aged care and relatives, however.

Second song in a row which uses my new favourite word - raggedy. And a long term goal achieved of sneaking both Rapunzel and Rumpelstiltskin into a song lyric... :lollers:

In good old 6/8 time and again, initially written on acoustic guitar and thus featuring a variety of chords whose exact names I could only guess at.

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v1

Grimm v1.mp3
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Did some EQing of the acoustic to tame the plinkiness and lowered the volume in the main area of the song a touch anyway, as it was hiding the panning stuff I did on the electrics. Other minor tweaks not really worth mentioning...


v2

Grimm v2.mp3
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Grimm

Once upon a time is how all good fairy tales begin
The fire is lit, the room is dark, everyone slowly leans in
For the stories of yore that would scare us right out of our skin
These are the things that I still remember of you
The fables and stories that you always swore were true
You read from a book called “The Tales of the Brothers Grimm”

I went a-wandering the planet, forgot to come back
The decades went by, I followed my long, winding track
And I talked with the shamans and seers and the odd maniac
I would remember the stories you swore were true
And if I stepped lightly it must have been because of you
You read from a book called “The Tales of the Brothers Grimm”
When you played the wolf I really thought you were him
You read from a book called “The Tales of the Brothers Grimm”

‘Cause somewhere in there some wisdom seeped in
Rapunzel, Snow White and Rumpelstiltskin
I learned more from fable than I did from hymn
You read from a book called “The Tales of the Brothers Grimm”

Your life went so quickly and here we are right at the end
A small room, disinfected halls, where no one's your friend
I’ll always visit when I have a few hours to spend
These stories of yours need an ear, I have one to lend
Did you have a life filled with joy, right up to the brim?
Did you go to the edge, did you go right out on a limb?
Did you get a bit raggedy when you weren’t proper and prim?
If the world is an ocean then you taught all of us to swim
You read from a book called “The Tales of the Brothers Grimm”

Once upon a time
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Is it really "sneaking" to mention rumplestiltskin in a song about Grimm tales? :D

Mix sounds pretty good. About your usual standards.

There's kind of some close clickiness on the hard-panned acoustics. It probably sounds ok on speakers, but in headphones, it sounds like they're very close to my head.
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OK, having a listen on my "good" headphones - I agree with VHS on how the hand panned acoustics sound, but I quite like them - they sound very "live" which I don't mind.

The only real critique I have is the whole mix sounds very "dense" you've got double tracked acoustics throughout and at least one maybe two electric guitar lines. Its not bad and we all do it home recording - make it sound like a completed song before we even add the vocal in and then we add the vocal on top. Why not thin it out a bit? Ditch one of the acoustics and pan the electric where the acoustic used to be.

Its a good mix though.
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vomitHatSteve wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:10 am Is it really "sneaking" to mention rumplestiltskin in a song about Grimm tales? :D

Mix sounds pretty good. About your usual standards.

There's kind of some close clickiness on the hard-panned acoustics. It probably sounds ok on speakers, but in headphones, it sounds like they're very close to my head.
Cheers - it's probably pick noise from strumming... I go have a listen to just the acoustics through some headphones and see if I can isolate a frequency to reduce it via EQ, or maybe multiband compression.
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JD01 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:49 am OK, having a listen on my "good" headphones - I agree with VHS on how the hand panned acoustics sound, but I quite like them - they sound very "live" which I don't mind.

The only real critique I have is the whole mix sounds very "dense" you've got double tracked acoustics throughout and at least one maybe two electric guitar lines. Its not bad and we all do it home recording - make it sound like a completed song before we even add the vocal in and then we add the vocal on top. Why not thin it out a bit? Ditch one of the acoustics and pan the electric where the acoustic used to be.

Its a good mix though.
Cheers - I'll have a play round - and you're right, that's exactly how I've been working lately. I try to thin it a bit with EQ as best I can, but there's still lots of stuff going on.
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Armistice wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:14 pm
JD01 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:49 am OK, having a listen on my "good" headphones - I agree with VHS on how the hand panned acoustics sound, but I quite like them - they sound very "live" which I don't mind.

The only real critique I have is the whole mix sounds very "dense" you've got double tracked acoustics throughout and at least one maybe two electric guitar lines. Its not bad and we all do it home recording - make it sound like a completed song before we even add the vocal in and then we add the vocal on top. Why not thin it out a bit? Ditch one of the acoustics and pan the electric where the acoustic used to be.

Its a good mix though.
Cheers - I'll have a play round - and you're right, that's exactly how I've been working lately. I try to thin it a bit with EQ as best I can, but there's still lots of stuff going on.
I'm currently trying to kick songs off with a few lyrical ideas to counteract this very issue!

Once you've written loads of cool shit to fill the space, it's then very hard (recording solo) to then choose to remove some of it after the vocal is done.
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Very good. Cool tune.

I can hear the pick noise but don't find it so bad as I play and record acoustic a lot so I'm kind of used to it. Pick choice, mic placement and EQ are your big friends in that regards. I use semi soft picks, Sharkfin Regulars and play with the sharp fin part. If you can get some, do so, they're great.

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One acoustic straight down the middle would probably help to take the density of the track down a ways but it's pretty good as is. Sounds great loud in my room anyway.

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Mr Clean wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 9:54 am Very good. Cool tune.

I can hear the pick noise but don't find it so bad as I play and record acoustic a lot so I'm kind of used to it. Pick choice, mic placement and EQ are your big friends in that regards. I use semi soft picks, Sharkfin Regulars and play with the sharp fin part. If you can get some, do so, they're great.


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One acoustic straight down the middle would probably help to take the density of the track down a ways but it's pretty good as is. Sounds great loud in my room anyway.

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Thanks Clean. Yeah, it's been a while since I recorded acoustic but I used to record a lot of it too. To some extent it's just the sound they make, and these guitars (Matons) in particular which are very loud and in-your-face/ears. :lollers: They can be tough to record. Anyway, I've isolated a particularly plinky frequency and ducked it down a fair bit so it should be a little easier on the ears a little now.
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Version 2 up in the OP with minor tweakage...
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You lost some brightness in those acoustics, but I think it's a worthwhile tradeoff to drop the clicks
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vomitHatSteve wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 11:39 am You lost some brightness in those acoustics, but I think it's a worthwhile tradeoff to drop the clicks
Yeah, I wasn't sure how far to tweak - there was a particular frequency which I notched and then there was the high shelf which I turned down into a cut, a little... I may be able to undo the high shelving cut a bit - but you know what it's like when you've listened to something so many times you lose objectivity. And I'm onto the next song now... so I'll leave it for a few days and revisit once it's out of my head, I think.
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The bass tone is a bit anonymous...the bass parts also seems a bit busy - sort of wandering around behind things.
COOOOOOL song and everything else, V2, seems on point.
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rayc wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 2:43 am The bass tone is a bit anonymous...the bass parts also seems a bit busy - sort of wandering around behind things.
COOOOOOL song and everything else, V2, seems on point.
Thanks ray.

I'm not musicking for a couple of weeks whilst the apartment sale is going on - too hard to get my head into it - but I'll revisit in a week or so.

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I like busy mixes and I'm more about the music/playing/arrangement anyways and wow .... really nice ...... I'm especially taken with that time change that happens a couple of times at the "chorus" if you wanted to call it that.
That's just killer ...... and while I hear the 6/8 all the way thru .... I find myself counting the verses in 4 with a triplet 'feel' ...... and then to me it goes full 6/8 at the 'chorus' .... too freakin' cool.

Kinda reminds me a bit of Jethro Tull ....... we need to put a flute on it!

I think it sounds good right now as is ..... but there's a lot of other ways you could mix it which would also sound good.
A busy recording like this gives you a lot of options.

It's really good man.
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