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... from 35 years ago!!!
A buncha different bands I played with back then ..... some even older.

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Back then for live gigs I had a cassette boombox that recorded .... had built in mics ..... I simply set it on the stage and pressed record.
I got pretty good at choosing a spot to get most of the sound although on this one I wish I'd been closer to the guitar.
Can't mix it .... stereo live ...... just some EQ'ing .... it is about 35 years old and has just been sitting in a box so it's not perfect but it's not terrible.

this particular band is a quartet ..... bass/git/piano and drums.

I'm playing bass and singing with Jo playing piano and singing and it's live ..... maybe some hotel bar, don't remember.
Didn't remember this until I heard it ..... brought a smile to my face ..... GREAT lyrics.
These tapes are bringing back LOTS of memories .......

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Super cool! :)
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The well placed cassette machine often did a good job.
The tape ads a little warmth too.
Very cool song and ace performances.
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NIce!
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Beauty!

This is a fantastic snapshot into your history man!!!!! Still a great sounding recording. Your voice hasn't really changed much. Maybe a bit smoother but still has the same timbre Lt.Boob-ness.

"Drank her age in beer". LOL! I like that one.
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WhiskeyJack wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:14 pm . Your voice hasn't really changed much. Maybe a bit smoother but still has the same timbre Lt.Boob-ness.
I was actually quite surprised by that ....... I've been primarily a singer for the last 15 years and thought I had really grown as one but listening to this old recording I haven't changed much .. lol

I have lost about an octave and a half in range though ..... used to be able to sing higher than most girls .......... not so much nowadays!
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very cool, nice swing ; love the bass at 2:30 into keyboard solo.
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Super cool! Great to hear you. Man, if I tried to record a show, there'd be way too much audience noise (everybody talking!) Love your bass playing and I love your voice! The song is pretty cool too.
The quality of sound is amazing for a simple boombox!
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Thanks all ...... the song's by Martin Mull and the bass solo is by Ron Carter.
I have a buncha stuff from quite a few bands.

I'ma looking for some tapes of my 9 piece horn band ...... 2 trumpets, 2 saxes ....... I wrote all the charts and we did wonderful stuff .....
I may not get to it for a few weeks because I have to spend my spare time right now getting my Xmas sequences done and half-ass learning the words ......
But watch for some pretty cool stuff.

Question ..... since this is just about bands I was in and I can't really mix it other than EQ'ing, should I post them here in The Listening Room?
Or should it be in the Live forum?

Or maybe just Minermans lounge since it just to share and I'm not really looking for mixing advice, although I am VERY interested in EQ'ing comments since I have another 50-60 hours of this stuff to archive and I can tweak EQ'ing some as I go along.

More people would see it in Mnermans but I want to put them where ya'll think they should go since eventually there will be many dozens .... gonna try to put up all my LMHOF bands' original stuff up for instance and that's about 25 songs.

Ponder on this and then opine ...... I will be guided by your voices.
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Lt. Bob wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:03 pm Thanks all ...... the song's by Martin Mull and the bass solo is by Ron Carter.
I have a buncha stuff from quite a few bands.

I'ma looking for some tapes of my 9 piece horn band ...... 2 trumpets, 2 saxes ....... I wrote all the charts and we did wonderful stuff .....
I may not get to it for a few weeks because I have to spend my spare time right now getting my Xmas sequences done and half-ass learning the words ......
But watch for some pretty cool stuff.

Question ..... since this is just about bands I was in and I can't really mix it other than EQ'ing, should I post them here in The Listening Room?
Or should it be in the Live forum?

Or maybe just Minermans lounge since it just to share and I'm not really looking for mixing advice, although I am VERY interested in EQ'ing comments since I have another 50-60 hours of this stuff to archive and I can tweak EQ'ing some as I go along.

More people would see it in Mnermans but I want to put them where ya'll think they should go since eventually there will be many dozens .... gonna try to put up all my LMHOF bands' original stuff up for instance and that's about 25 songs.

Ponder on this and then opine ...... I will be guided by your voices.
Put them up in the listening booth. :like: :like:

It is possible that when your new DAW lands you may find yourself tinkering with some eQ's and mastering stuff and you could, if you wanted to, make copies of some of this older stuff, and try your hand at remastering them or sweetening up some EQ or hiss removal techniques, and in that instance you could lean on our ears and guidance in that forum.

But also being our resident music hall of famer you have the right to show it off and do nothing else with it in the listening booth. not everything that get's posted there needs to a be a critical listen mix critique.

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WhiskeyJack wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:49 pm

Put them up in the listening booth. :like: :like:

It is possible that when your new DAW lands you may find yourself tinkering with some eQ's and mastering stuff and you could, if you wanted to, make copies of some of this older stuff, and try your hand at remastering them or sweetening up some EQ or hiss removal techniques, and in that instance you could lean on our ears and guidance in that forum.

But also being our resident music hall of famer you have the right to show it off and do nothing else with it in the listening booth. not everything that get's posted there needs to a be a critical listen mix critique.

this is the way. :like:
hadn't thought of that actually ...... I have all the EQ in te world with outboard parametrics and a couple of Rane 31 band EQs ...... but I don't have noise removakl tools and I will be able to do that so that's a great idea.
The puters gonna be for recording but also for archiving recordings and even digitizing some of my vinyl.

Being able to do away with hiss I've mostly had to accept would be awesome right there!
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Lt. Bob wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:14 pm
WhiskeyJack wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:49 pm

Put them up in the listening booth. :like: :like:

It is possible that when your new DAW lands you may find yourself tinkering with some eQ's and mastering stuff and you could, if you wanted to, make copies of some of this older stuff, and try your hand at remastering them or sweetening up some EQ or hiss removal techniques, and in that instance you could lean on our ears and guidance in that forum.

But also being our resident music hall of famer you have the right to show it off and do nothing else with it in the listening booth. not everything that get's posted there needs to a be a critical listen mix critique.

this is the way. :like:
hadn't thought of that actually ...... I have all the EQ in te world with outboard parametrics and a couple of Rane 31 band EQs ...... but I don't have noise removakl tools and I will be able to do that so that's a great idea.
The puters gonna be for recording but also for archiving recordings and even digitizing some of my vinyl.

Being able to do away with hiss I've mostly had to accept would be awesome right there!
I recently found out that Blue Lab is no longer supporting their plugins so they’re making them all free. They have a denoiser. I’ve never tried their plugins but free is free so it might be worth a shot.

https://bluelab-plugs.com/plugins/
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Lt. Bob wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:14 pm
WhiskeyJack wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:49 pm

Put them up in the listening booth. :like: :like:

It is possible that when your new DAW lands you may find yourself tinkering with some eQ's and mastering stuff and you could, if you wanted to, make copies of some of this older stuff, and try your hand at remastering them or sweetening up some EQ or hiss removal techniques, and in that instance you could lean on our ears and guidance in that forum.

But also being our resident music hall of famer you have the right to show it off and do nothing else with it in the listening booth. not everything that get's posted there needs to a be a critical listen mix critique.

this is the way. :like:
hadn't thought of that actually ...... I have all the EQ in te world with outboard parametrics and a couple of Rane 31 band EQs ...... but I don't have noise removakl tools and I will be able to do that so that's a great idea.
The puters gonna be for recording but also for archiving recordings and even digitizing some of my vinyl.

Being able to do away with hiss I've mostly had to accept would be awesome right there!
Yea man 100%. While i think the hiss adds to the historic charm of what it is you did in this specific example of capturing it one take live with a boombox !! :eek: It could be a fun exercise to remove hiss if for no other reason than to say "you did it!" and give us all a before and after of your efforts.
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Removing "noise" is easy but complicated. The VSTs and such that do it are easily found Reaper has ReaFir which does it BUT if the "noise" is removed from the music then that range of frequencies is removed also which can sound worse. It's a balancing act as to how much and from where. My favourite live recording is of the Velvet underground, (Velvet underground with Lou Reed 1969), and the LP is from a 2nd or third gen recording - the noise is part of the charm of it. I also have a "cleaned" version of the LP and it sounds cleaner but not better.
The best strategy, I've found, is archive a pile of stuff 1st with the gear set up and the mojo running. Tweak later.
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rayc wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:18 pm Removing "noise" is easy but complicated. The VSTs and such that do it are easily found Reaper has ReaFir which does it BUT if the "noise" is removed from the music then that range of frequencies is removed also which can sound worse. It's a balancing act as to how much and from where. My favourite live recording is of the Velvet underground, (Velvet underground with Lou Reed 1969), and the LP is from a 2nd or third gen recording - the noise is part of the charm of it. I also have a "cleaned" version of the LP and it sounds cleaner but not better.
The best strategy, I've found, is archive a pile of stuff 1st with the gear set up and the mojo running. Tweak later.
yeah ..... you can actually do some noise reduction just using a 31 band if you're good with it but I'll often find that, for it to sound good, I have to accept some hiss .... just gets dull otherwise and sometimes it's even like a bias signal .... getting rid of the hiss gets rid of the sparkle.

....... I imagine the stuff in Reaper's gonna be far more sophisticated than me with a 31 band but still ..... if you remove frequencies it always affects other things and not necessarily just in the frequency you're messin' with and so it's always a 'this-way/that-way' thing.
I'm pretty used to that but I have to think this is gonna be a step up for me so I'm looking forward to it.

The way I'm archiving these is to run them thru a mixer and a 31 band and pan and EQ things for the very best I can make it sound.
The odds of doing something with them later are remote as I have prolly 1000 hours or more so I'm doing it as I go ..... sometimes I'll EQ one of the channels different than the other and I don't necessarily pan them all the way L/R .... whatever sounds the best.
I've only done 2 of my bands and maybe 5 or 6 hours right now so if I were to have a relevetory experience with the noise software I could do them again.
But otherwise they're done and anything I use will just be from the point that I can because I'm pretty comfortable with 31 bands ..... at one time just having that was amazing.

I'm glad I came up the way I did ..... 4 track reel to reel requires you really dialing in your ears if you're gonna do more than 4 tracks.
If you're gonna ping things you quickly learn that this instrument or that cymbal cuts thru too much or not enough once you start adding other tracks because then you're stuck with it after you've recorded over the other tracks.
You remember that next time because it ruined your final mix.

So maybe your first ping sounds like the snare is too loud and there's not enough bass, but you've learned that when you add two more instruments, ping them, and add two vocals ..... with all those sub-mixes ( pings ), the snare and bass are just right ..... good thing because there's no modifying them at all other than EQ once you're at that point.

And now all that's left is EQ and panning ....
Maybe you may pull out 1-2k if a snare's too loud but that affects everything else ... might have to accept the snare popping more than you'd like..... really have to juggle things and you can only do so much ...... so getting the levels really balanced in the first place was way important, but once you're mixing, EQ becomes your primary tool .... sometimes the only one you have ... so EQ has always been a major recording/mixing tool for me.

Nonetheless I'm way looking forward to my new format. I bet I'm gonna learn some cool stuff about this shit.
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Talk to Tad or someone with knwledge of Mid Side EQing in Reaper. That is a way of dealing with a stereo file That I've not yet delved into. It may be useful or not.
I think you plan is a good one and a nice 31 band is a surgical thing...I have a really nice Altec Lansing Voicette EQ - old theatre gear, and it's amazing.
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rayc wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:09 am Talk to Tad or someone with knwledge of Mid Side EQing in Reaper. That is a way of dealing with a stereo file That I've not yet delved into. It may be useful or not.
I think you plan is a good one and a nice 31 band is a surgical thing...I have a really nice Altec Lansing Voicette EQ - old theatre gear, and it's amazing.
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CrowsofFritz wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:25 am
rayc wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:09 am Talk to Tad or someone with knwledge of Mid Side EQing in Reaper. That is a way of dealing with a stereo file That I've not yet delved into. It may be useful or not.
I think you plan is a good one and a nice 31 band is a surgical thing...I have a really nice Altec Lansing Voicette EQ - old theatre gear, and it's amazing.
Damn, you have an Altec Lansing? I’m jelly.
It cost me $50 about 15 years ago...weighs a TONNE!
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Altec Lansing Voicette EQ ..... noice! Never used one of those.

I have 2 of these:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/170658533414?h ... xyxU1Q8sDm

actually 27 band .... hmmm, thought they were 31 but looking at it to grab a pic, I see it's only 27.
I do have an Alesis 31-band stereo too.

I also have a Behringer stereo parametric and my ART Pro Channel has a parametric AND from my stereo days before I quit using them in my stereo, I have 3 different ones, a Pioneer, a Teac and something else so I have lots of EQ available.

Of course the analog stuff will have some of its own noise albeit small, while the software won't.
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That Rane look great - has a bit of a NAD styling...27 bands is plenty when used properly.
Here's my beast...it's 24 bands L & 24 R. It is SUBTRACTIVE only. It has ONE dud slider but if I leave it alone it passes through no problems.
CONSUMER use designed rather than for pro reinforcement but, I was told, mine came from a cinema or similar.
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I just looked it up - it cost me $35 + delivery.
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