JUNE Project Old Style?

[Bubba]

The vocals are coming on melodically Ray, but I think you need to move twice as much air when you sing It would definitely improve the tone. And still, I can't get on with the ghastly amount of ambience you have on everything. Do you like it? Is that what you're going for? Because it's always, always the same, no matter what anybody says to you. If it is, just put it to bed and say "fuck off, that's how I want it" because otherwise it's like me yelling pointlessly into a void. The guitars sound good, though.

[Greg_L]

The vocals are coming on melodically Ray, but I think you need to move twice as much air when you sing It would definitely improve the tone. And still, I can't get on with the ghastly amount of ambience you have on everything. Do you like it? Is that what you're going for? Because it's always, always the same, no matter what anybody says to you. If it is, just put it to bed and say "fuck off, that's how I want it" because otherwise it's like me yelling pointlessly into a void. The guitars sound good, though.

I agree with all this. Melodically it works much much better. Like Bubba and I have said, you just need to sing it harder, move more air, and it will be just right. Sing loud, from your gut, it'll happen. I'm also not a fan of the vocal ambiance. It's not helping. If you like it that way, cool, rock on with it. That's fine. I just think it's detracting more than helping.

[rayc]

Thanks Bubba and Greg,
I'm learning to sing it in tune so "power" will have to wait until that's sorted.
I THINK the vocal ambience is just where I've left a couple of takes playing over each other through laziness. As mentioned this is about making and singing a melody not vocal processing.
I will check the machine for anything other than the thickener in ReaDela, compression, EQ and report back.

[rayc]

I'm also not a fan of the vocal ambiance. It's not helping. If you like it that way, cool, rock on with it. That's fine. I just think it's detracting more than helping.

I found the problem [mention]Greg_L[/mention] ,
When I rendered the track, (NO active reverb anywhere in the project), it was very quiet so I ran it through my simple faux master template. In that template are stacked limiters n EQ with a compressor & reverb at the top as extra options.
I hadn't noticed the reverb was selected/active when I ran the rendered file through it. I just checked the levels and let it go. THAT active reverb had WIDE CHAMBER in it which explains the sound.
Here it is without that reverb...

JUNE2020extKcgd.mp3

Sorry.

[Bubba]

Ray - at last. This mix sounds normal.

For me there is still a little too much ambience on the drums but I understand you're stuck with that as it's part of the BIAB sound. Have a think about the Slate5 drums that I mentioned to you. There's also a free program called the MT Power Drum kit that has decent mixing possibilities in the box and tons of usable grooves and fills.

Now I can actually hear what's going on, I think that the guitars can come up a bit (including the bass). I think a bit more texture on the bass would work well, too.
You're still working on the vocals, I understand that, but even what you have now could be mixed and EQd better - more bite, less mud.

I can't tell you how deeply relieved I am to finally get to the bottom of this issue.

Bubba

[rayc]

[mention]Bubba[/mention] ,
Thanks. Relief is mutual without being "mutual relief".

[JD01]

Ray - just logging on to have a listen now.... this is much better!

[vomitHatSteve]

This melody is definitely much more interesting. I think when you have a really solid performance of it, it'll come together nicely.

[Tadpui]

Coming right along, man! I really like the guitar tones. Crunchy and full of mids, I think they sound great.

[Greg_L]

I'm also not a fan of the vocal ambiance. It's not helping. If you like it that way, cool, rock on with it. That's fine. I just think it's detracting more than helping.

I found the problem @Greg_L ,
When I rendered the track, (NO active reverb anywhere in the project), it was very quiet so I ran it through my simple faux master template. In that template are stacked limiters n EQ with a compressor & reverb at the top as extra options.
I hadn't noticed the reverb was selected/active when I ran the rendered file through it. I just checked the levels and let it go. THAT active reverb had WIDE CHAMBER in it which explains the sound.
Here it is without that reverb...
JUNE2020extKcgd.mp3
Sorry.

Yeah that's an improvement. Keep working with it. I still think the vocals can come up but cleaning them up has been a definite improvement.