JUNE Project Old Style?

[vomitHatSteve]

I like the octave up vocal.

I'd probably drop the octave down version most of the time. Only bring it in for emphasis or to build energy as the song progresses.

[Greg_L]

I've recorded a lot of white Gen X male singers that like to do the aggressive octave up and octave down vocal blend. I think it's a post-grunge Godsmack corporate radio standard practice or something? I don't know. It's always the same kind of guys doing the same kind of music that like that style. I do know it can sound very good if done very good. The low and high parts need to be phrased and sung very consistently or it just sounds like two people. Timing, inflection, pronunciations, it all needs to be the same....just in different octaves....and then it will mesh together very well and sound very powerful.

[rayc]

I've recorded a lot of white Gen X male singers that like to do the aggressive octave up and octave down vocal blend. I think it's a post-grunge Godsmack corporate radio standard practice or something? I don't know. It's always the same kind of guys doing the same kind of music that like that style. I do know it can sound very good if done very good. The low and high parts need to be phrased and sung very consistently or it just sounds like two people. Timing, inflection, pronunciations, it all needs to be the same....just in different octaves....and then it will mesh together very well and sound very powerful.

Yeah, it's not tight as it was the 1st run through and needs work. I wasn't prepared to put too much into it iin case it was generally regarded as a disater.
I'll go back to it today and try to get it tighter to make the blend work or dump it if I can't. Thanks.

[rayc]

I like the octave up vocal.
I'd probably drop the octave down version most of the time. Only bring it in for emphasis or to build energy as the song progresses.

If the UP is a better option after trying to tighten it they I'll probably do just that.

[rayc]

[mention]JD01[/mention] & [mention]Greg_L[/mention] ,
After a little encouragement I went back and looked at the FX setting for the project. It seems I had left reverb on the Vocal buss. I had thought I'd clicked to select OFF but obviously not. As the image shows, there's no reverb on any individual element - only the fattener delay. I apologise for leading you astray. It wasn't intentional. After reading your comments last nightI had intended to revisit the project this afternoon and find the problem between what I thought I knew and what you heard. Circumstances have caused me to take that look this morning.
Right click & then View Image will get you a clearer optic. The Vox Bus has Wide Chamber, -18dB, and is set at about -22. TOO much for anything and my ears ought to have heard it but they aren't much chop.
Again, apologies...I'll move to incandescent bulbs.

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[Greg_L]

@JD01 & @Greg_L ,
After a little encouragement I went back and looked at the FX setting for the project. It seems I had left reverb on the Vocal buss. I had thought I'd clicked to select OFF but obviously not. As the image shows, there's no reverb on any individual element - only the fattener delay. I apologise for leading you astray. It wasn't intentional. After reading you comments last nightI had intended to revisit the project this afternoon and find the problem between what I thought I knew and what you heard. Circumstances have caused me to take that look this morning.
Right click & then View Image will get you a clearer optic. The Vox Bus has Wide Chamber, -18dB, and is set at about -22. TOO much for anything and my ears ought to have heard it but they aren't much chop.
Again, apologies...I'll move to incandescent bulbs.
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Lol holy crap dude look at all that stuff you got open. No wonder you missed it.

[TripleM]

On the 4th mix.

The guitars sound bigger. But it's at the expense of pushing the vocal way back. It's tough to make out any of the words.

Guitars and bass sound very good. Nice tone.

I didn't notice this the first time through, but the ride cymbal (I think it's the ride) sounds a little phasey/swishy. You can hear it in the first minute of the tune. When the drummer goes away from it, it clears up.

[rayc]

Lol holy crap dude look at all that stuff you got open. No wonder you missed it.

YEAH, that's how I treat MY vocals. With other people it's a much lighter touch.

[WhiskeyJack]

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<3 RAYC

[rayc]

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<3 RAYC

Nice one Shan.

[rayc]

REVERB free vocal in mix in O>P>

[Bubba]

I listened to the last mix, Ray. The vocal is fine, but it has a nasty metallic delay effect on it. This is what I've been on about for what seems like a decade, now.

[rayc]

I listened to the last mix, Ray. The vocal is fine, but it has a nasty metallic delay effect on it. This is what I've been on about for what seems like a decade, now.

That really only seems to leave the ReaDelay "vocal fattener" preset...something I use on my vocals becasue they are very thin.
To address that I'll have to do multiple tracks for trad real time double tracking.
That's OK as I'll need to retrack anyway.
I'll post a "vocal fattener" free mix tomorrow morning and try to get some vocal takes sorted in the arvo. Thanks for lending your ears.

[JD01]

Vocal fattener is pretty good but the preset is too wet. It starts at about -8db wet or something. Turn it down to about-12.. so that you can't obviously hear it but you can tell when it's taken away.

[Bubba]

If it's "vocal fattener" off of ReaDelay, then that's a great preset and I use it a lot. It's just a question of degree!

[Bubba]

Ray, I want to apologise.
I know I've been like a dog with a bone over this delay effect thing. I think I've been quite bullying about it and I regret doing so. There are few things that wind me up so much as being unable to make myself understood. I hate myself because of it, cos I really want to help you. But I feel like Sisyphus with the rock, sometimes..
On the other hand, I tell myself "it's for his own good". "In the Kitchen" is a great song. The lyrics and theme are excellent and it's an amazing take on what was a very traumatic and unbelievably sad event. It's important to get your songs sounding as good as they can be because they're actually worth it.

[rayc]

@[mention]Bubba[/mention]
I understand Bob, and I'm almost as frustrated trying to find the problem...takes time across the Indian Ocean for the thrust and parry to actually meet despite the internet. I'll find the problem by reverse engineering eventually, if nothing else.
I appreciate your ears and critical analysis. The fact that people in RR tell the truth to help is the most important aspect of the forum for me.

[rayc]

Updated twice.

[Greg_L]

Ray you gotta bring the vocals up in the mix so we can really hear them. It's hard to judge with them being so buried. I know you're a little self-conscious about it, but you need not be. Vocals are just another instrument. Mix them like you would bass or guitar. Let them be heard.

[WhiskeyJack]

[mention]rayc[/mention] I can't tell which track is the most recent? There is one at the very bottom tagged JUNE2020PTUNEnofat. IS that the one?