In The Kitchen

[vomitHatSteve]

Something has gone terribly amiss.
At around 0:05 a single droning pitch comes in (looks like a D#5). It fades up over the next few seconds and then drones away until fading out right before the vox come in.
It comes back in at the solo. Fades in between 1:45 and 1:47 Fades out right before the vox come in again.
Some kind of feedback loop on your lead chain?

@vomitHatSteve Yeah,
it's feedback. there's the midi organ the "lead" guitar and some feedback added as a condiment. Too much salt?

Yeah. A bit too much salt. It ends up just coming through as a single clean tone that doesn't match all the chords.

[TripleM]

I went straight to the last mix. The intro is pretty loose.

Guitars sound real good. Bass too. Nice growl.

Vocal performance also gets a little loose in spots.

Lead guitar solo is good and could probably come up a couple of dbs.

[rayc]

@vomitHatSteve Yeah,
it's feedback. there's the midi organ the "lead" guitar and some feedback added as a condiment. Too much salt?

Yeah. A bit too much salt. It ends up just coming through as a single clean tone that doesn't match all the chords.

Steve,
Yes, it was D# - weird. I must have touched something accidentally when holding a chord.
I tried tuning the feedback in Reatune but it comes out like a synth line so I'll scrap what I have and replace it.
Thanks.

[rayc]

The intro is pretty loose.
Vocal performance also gets a little loose in spots.

What aspect of the intro? Organ, bass, guitar, lead guitar?
Vocals are loose I know. I'll look at tidying them but I don't want to quantize the song to death.
Thanks for the detail.

[TripleM]

The intro is pretty loose.
Vocal performance also gets a little loose in spots.

What aspect of the intro? Organ, bass, guitar, lead guitar?

You know, I listened again this morning and it's not a loose performance. I think I was thrown off by the synth on the left side playing the dischordant stuff. The performances were all in time.

[rayc]

What aspect of the intro? Organ, bass, guitar, lead guitar?

You know, I listened again this morning and it's not a loose performance. I think I was thrown off by the synth on the left side playing the discordant stuff. The performances were all in time.

Okay, I did look at the timing and didn't find anything problematic.
The organ is playing arpeggios 1st, 3rd and octave of the chords.
The discordant aspect was the feedback - now addressed.

[TripleM]

Have you set the record for number of mixes in a thread? You gotta at least be close.

That last mix cleared up my one last gripe. Before clearing up that feedback, I thought there was just too much going on during the intro. Kind of sensory overload. It's more focused now.

[vomitHatSteve]

How did I not notice the weird synth last time?

The feedback is definitely improved. I can't unhear it now, but it's no longer discordant.

[WhiskeyJack]

Much better. I like the mix on the vocals in the last one. I'd say you are close to the finish line.

FYI i had no issues with the bass at all. i like that sound. clanky and growly. I only commented on it as it seems to sound largely different than some of your other stuff. to my ears anyways.

[Greg_L]

Listening to the last mix I guess?

I need more guitars and vocals. The bass is weird, but if it's a stylistic choice I like it.

[rayc]

Have you set the record for number of mixes in a thread? You gotta at least be close.
That last mix cleared up my one last gripe. Before clearing up that feedback, I thought there was just too much going on during the intro. Kind of sensory overload. It's more focused now.

I post updates each time I've spent a little time with the mix...no point getting helpful hints from someone when that mix is long gone is there? I think removing the organ is what cleared the intro.
I also post and keep posting until I get a comment that addresses something I know I need to have heard by others like the guitars in relation to the rhythm section. I used to ask specifically for areas of focus in the O.P. but have come to the realization that most folk, myself included, don't read through a whole post let alone thread.

[rayc]

Listening to the last mix I guess?
I need more guitars and vocals. The bass is weird, but if it's a stylistic choice I like it.

Ah, the comment I needed - MORE guitars.
The bass, yes, I wanted a more Stranglers sound on this one and even had an arpeggio organ on the intro solo for a while. The REALLY clanky bass isn't something I usually reach for but it works, for me, in this one.
Thanks.

[rayc]

[mention]Greg_L[/mention] ,
More guitars and vocals.
That's what I wanted to hear (the guitar bit anyway).
Here they are, I hope,

ITK020620P.mp3

Here's the version with the bloke who wanted to do Bvox and add some guitar...
I think he may have missed the point of the narrative by adding OI. May not know what an OI band was despite being a Pom. He went on to tweak the video I was preparing showing images of the subject from the 2nd bar...I had hoped to keep the object something that would be recognized straight away by those in the know and would take some thought or none at all by those who weren't.

InTheKitchenTB2bgd.mp3

AND here's my version with Bubba on bvox...

ITK020620Q.mp3

I'll rebuild the video to my specs if it's determined that my mix is preferable.

[Bubba]

I'm told that the vocal and backing vocal level on this was raised, according to good advice received. Both performances are still far too quiet and buried in some kind of egregious vocal effect as far as I'm concerned, so either I have cloth ears or I'm going insane.

[rayc]

[mention]Bubba[/mention] ,
Bob,
All that was used, (other than a little compression), as explained previously,was the ADT to generate another track so I could pan the vocal. That means, effectively, one of the two tracks has a little bit of delay/faux wow n flutter & whatever else the VST used to create the "difference".
Levels wise I can tell you that with your BVocal any louder the relationship between it's properly sung nature and my unsung main vocal became very weird and which was intended to be the lead became very unclear.
The levels as they are in the final mix are raised at each new section for dynamics reasons and with the relationship to the main in play.
Here's a mix without the main vocal so that you can hear the egregious effect - probably MY bvox.

InTheKitchenbvoxversion.mp3

AND
Here's a mix with your vocal as the main, with the ADT's panned with my bvox...

InTheKitchenBobleadvox.mp3

[Bubba]

"Little bit of delay"? At least three people now have commented on that vocal effect that appears on all your songs, pointing out how disgusting it is. I like this tune, I liked your last tune too. But you seem to be stuck on this vocal treatment and you make excuses for it. You gaslight me and others when we complain of the subterranean reverb or delay effect, that it sounds like it's recorded fom the other end of a tunnel or other descriptions. You say there is "no reverb on it". Why don't you just be honest and say "that's what I want, fuck you all and your opinions- I don't care"?

At least then I could draw a line under it and refrain from commenting or contributing ever again. That would reduce my stress levels considerably.

[rayc]

Thanks for the response Bob.
I always enjoy being called out in public: it's some satisfaction knowing I can be annoying without trying.
There's a difference between flying the "Brutally Frank" battle flag and being, frankly, brutal.
I don't know why I'd attempt gaslighting given that almost everyone on this forum has better ears than I.
With regard to In The kitchen I explained the processing to you. I used a rendered ATD track of your single vocal...it's clear it's ATD'd in the mix I posted above because one side is louder than the other. Here is an image of the FX used on vocals in that project. No, I've not altered the settings for this image. you'll have to trust me, or not, on that one.

ITK VOX.png

[Bubba]

Ray, why are you using that ADT effect at all? It sounds fucking awful. I don't care to see any screenshots of what you think you're proving. It sounds awful and if you're not going to stop doing it then I'm washing my hands of the whole business.

[rayc]

Bob,
I explained to you why I used the ADT: I had only one bvox track and wanted/needed to pan bvox. (I've only used it when I wanted to pan vocals in the circumstance where I have only one...not often needed and not often used.) I did inform you via our conversation through messenger on fb that I had used it. I greatly reduced the ADT effect when you commented. It wasn't until after it was mastered that you made further reference despite the updated mix sent to you .
The screen shot proves nothing if proof isn't wanted. It is the settings for the vocals as they were when sent for mastering. If you'd rather not look at the it that's OK, it's there for you and anyone else who questions my veracity - though if my honesty is in question it'd be pointless to look I suppose.

I did look at my recent project - and YES there was reverb on it...shouldn't have been. I thought the terrible sound WAS my voice. I had thought there wasn't, and couldn't hear it after a couple of hours twiddling, but I've provided a screen shot of that in the appropriate thread as well as an apology for misleading the commenters.

Gaslighting is the favoured tool of narcissists.