Got Yourself

[Greg_L]

Now that I can hear her vocals, they're pretty bad. Sorry. She sings like she's bored. Flat, emotionless, boring bored girl vocals with no energy. She needs to listen to some Runaways.

The drums are a little dominant in this mix. You had the guitars killing everything before, now I think you dropped em too much. And to me you're still fighting to find the meat in the guitars. These guitars sound small to me. Maybe you're so concerned with low end muck and boxiness that you trimmed too much fat out of it. And I agree with Bubba, you got all kinds of lead chops, but they sound sterile and mechanical. There's no danger or energy in the guitars or the vocals. This is supposed to rock, right? I'm not getting much excitement from the mix or the performances. Sorry if I'm being too blunt. I just know you care and want to improve. Ramping up the energy in pretty much everything will help.

[JD01]

Hmmmm, bugger.

I'll give it some more thought in the morning

Not sure what to do with this now really, probably just bring the guitars up by a db or two and leave it there, unless I re-track the leads there's not a lot else to do. The leads (aside from the intro) were the only bits that weren't re-tracked from the first attempt at this when it had the really long intro.

[JD01]

Here's mix 5 incase you're interested.

[Bubba]

Now that I can hear her vocals, they're pretty bad. Sorry. She sings like she's bored. Flat, emotionless, boring bored girl vocals with no energy. She needs to listen to some Runaways.

Oh, I don't know. I like it. It's a British Indie female voice - lots of bands over here have gone with that style and I generally like 'em.

Primitives, Belle and Sebastian, Camera Obscura, Propaganda - all bands I expect you've never heard of and wouldn't like if you did, but they're fairly popular over here.

[Bubba]

Here's mix 5 incase you're interested.

It's good - I think her voice needs sinking into a little ambience, to be honest - kind of like the chorus, which really sits well. My earlier comments were a bit harsh, sorry mate.

And it's still an amazing song - I wouldn't mind a go at mixing it.

[JD01]

Here's mix 5 incase you're interested.

It's good - I think her voice needs sinking into a little ambience, to be honest - kind of like the chorus, which really sits well. My earlier comments were a bit harsh, sorry mate.

And it's still an amazing song - I wouldn't mind a go at mixing it.

I tried a bit of delay on the verse vocal but didn't really like it so I just added a bit more verb. I liked the change to delay when it finally gets to the chorus. Maybe I'll try something else.

[Greg_L]

Oh, I don't know. I like it. It's a British Indie female voice - lots of bands over here have gone with that style and I generally like 'em.

Primitives, Belle and Sebastian, Camera Obscura, Propaganda - all bands I expect you've never heard of and wouldn't like if you did, but they're fairly popular over here.

Yeah I get that. I like the frail feminine "indie" female voice too sometimes. I'm just not hearing it on this tune. I know JD loves him some Kurt Cobain, so I just think he needs someone that sings like Kurt's horrid wife on this one.

[Greg_L]

Here's mix 5 incase you're interested.

I think this one's better. Seems more balanced. Much more pleasing than the last one for whatever reason. Maybe my morning ears are more forgiving than my afternoon ears.

One thing that struck me on every listen is that the song is too long. You could just end this thing at roughly 3:10 after the big chorus build up section. That's where, in my mind's ear's mind's eye, I want the song to end. I hear everything building up to 3:10 and I feel like it should end there and I'd be satisfied. I'd heard all there is to hear. But no, here comes another almost two minutes of the same thing. That's just how I hear it with punk rock ears. 2-3 minutes and get the fuck out.

[JD01]

Yeah I get that. I like the frail feminine "indie" female voice too sometimes. I'm just not hearing it on this tune. I know JD loves him some Kurt Cobain, so I just think he needs someone that sings like Kurt's horrid wife on this one.

TO be fair to the smack addled botox clown, she did sound pretty good in the right context. I'd like to stick my own vocals on it, but I have absolutely zero vocal or lyrical ideas for this one as yet.

[JD01]

Here's mix 5 incase you're interested.

I think this one's better. Seems more balanced. Much more pleasing than the last one for whatever reason. Maybe my morning ears are more forgiving than my afternoon ears.

One thing that struck me on every listen is that the song is too long. You could just end this thing at roughly 3:10 after the big chorus build up section. That's where, in my mind's ear's mind's eye, I want the song to end. I hear everything building up to 3:10 and I feel like it should end there and I'd be satisfied. I'd heard all there is to hear. But no, here comes another almost two minutes of the same thing. That's just how I hear it with punk rock ears. 2-3 minutes and get the fuck out.

Dunno - I've not done much too it - just a little reverb adjustment and bringing the guitars back in a bit - not too much though. Maybe you just haven't had time to get a grump on yet today!

Yeah - it is the same, I take two attempts and a guitar break to build up to the chorus and then finally get back to the 2nd verse, 2nd prechorus and final chorus. Might be worth swapping around the 2nd verse and guitar break; I don't mind 5 minute songs though, although most of my other stuff is shorter.

[Greg_L]

Dunno - I've not done much too it - just a little reverb adjustment and bringing the guitars back in a bit - not too much though. Maybe you just haven't had time to get a grump on yet today!

Bringing the guitars back in balanced it out better. And they don't seem as small and weak anymore.

Yeah - it is the same, I take two attempts and a guitar break to build up to the chorus and then finally get back to the 2nd verse, 2nd prechorus and final chorus. Might be worth swapping around the 2nd verse and guitar break; I don't mind 5 minute songs though, although most of my other stuff is shorter.

That's fine and all. A 5 minute song is great if it's 5 interesting minutes. This song is just 2:30 of actual song done twice. It's your song, you can make it however you want. I'm just saying my internal clock ran out at 3:10 and the song totally lends itself to ending right there.

[JD01]

That's fine and all. A 5 minute song is great if it's 5 interesting minutes. This song is just 2:30 of actual song done twice. It's your song, you can make it however you want. I'm just saying my internal clock ran out at 3:10 and the song totally lends itself to ending right there.

Yeah, there needs to be more interesting stuff going on in that 2nd verse and chorus so its not just a repeat - significant changes to the vocal melody/harmonies or something.

I'll keep that in mind if/when I get around to my own vocal version of this.

[Armistice]

First listen (mix 5) - late at night because I'm up testing and on my laptop speakers so can't really get any sonic detail - but the singing isn't winning me JD, I'm afraid. Thought she sounded a bit flat in places and a bit whiny and all a bit same same in terms of the vocal melody. And it just appears to be sitting on top of the music a bit.

I'll come back in the morning when I go home and have proper gear to listen on and see how it sounds for real.

[JD01]

First listen (mix 5) - late at night because I'm up testing and on my laptop speakers so can't really get any sonic detail - but the singing isn't winning me JD, I'm afraid. Thought she sounded a bit flat in places and a bit whiny and all a bit same same in terms of the vocal melody. And it just appears to be sitting on top of the music a bit.

I'll come back in the morning when I go home and have proper gear to listen on and see how it sounds for real.

Cheers, mate.

[ido1957]

Mix 5

Do you have any vocal tuning software? If not, I wouldn't mind trying to tune the girl's vocals on your tune. I find it a challenge to try to disguise it /make it as unnoticeable as humanly possible. If you're interested, PM me a link to a download site like Google Play/Dropbox whatever.

I'll take all the tracks you have going in this tune as they are all interconnected (lead/backups). And I need a no-vocal backing track so I can tune it to match the music.

One caveat - may take me a few days as work is busy for the next 4 days but by Wednesday I should be free to spend a few hours on it.

[JD01]

Mix 5

Do you have any vocal tuning software? If not, I wouldn't mind trying to tune the girl's vocals on your tune. I find it a challenge to try to disguise it /make it as unnoticeable as humanly possible. If you're interested, PM me a link to a download site like Google Play/Dropbox whatever.

I'll take all the tracks you have going in this tune as they are all interconnected (lead/backups). And I need a no-vocal backing track so I can tune it to match the music.

One caveat - may take me a few days as work is busy for the next 4 days but by Wednesday I should be free to spend a few hours on it.

Cheers, Ido. I'll take a look later on. I'll render some .wavs with nothing on them at all and take off my shit attempts at tuning. I wish she'd get herself some decent gear so she could do things over more easily.

[rammer24]

Mix 5.....

I don't mind her "attitude" and sound, but her pitch needs help. I think putting her on pitch will legitimize her style a little more.

Snare is a little box-y and/or maybe too loud. Also, check the parts where you do a double snare hit (like at 1:25). It seems there's a bass drum hitting at the same time as the snare which makes it pop out in a weird way. There are a few other places where that happens. I think pretty much every time that "B" part occurs. I'd simply remove the bass drum hit that's there.

It's a pretty good mix, she's just a little pitchy. The song itself reminds me of Pat Benatar slightly.

[JD01]

Mix 5.....

I don't mind her "attitude" and sound, but her pitch needs help. I think putting her on pitch will legitimize her style a little more.

Snare is a little box-y and/or maybe too loud. Also, check the parts where you do a double snare hit (like at 1:25). It seems there's a bass drum hitting at the same time as the snare which makes it pop out in a weird way. There are a few other palces where that happens. I think pretty much every time that "B" part occurs. I'd simply remove the bass drum hit that's there.

It's a pretty good mix, she's just a little pitchy. The song itself reminds me of Pat Benatar slightly.

Cheers, I'll look into those snare/kick hits - I don't think the kick is hitting at the same time though - maybe the snares are just too close to eachother, might move them apart by a few more ms.

[rammer24]

Oh maybe. In that case, there shouldn't be 2 snares so close to each other that they flam. There should be a hi-hat playing there, so it should just be 2 single snare hits an 8th note apart.

[ido1957]

Mix 5

Do you have any vocal tuning software? If not, I wouldn't mind trying to tune the girl's vocals on your tune. I find it a challenge to try to disguise it /make it as unnoticeable as humanly possible. If you're interested, PM me a link to a download site like Google Play/Dropbox whatever.

I'll take all the tracks you have going in this tune as they are all interconnected (lead/backups). And I need a no-vocal backing track so I can tune it to match the music.

One caveat - may take me a few days as work is busy for the next 4 days but by Wednesday I should be free to spend a few hours on it.

Cheers, Ido. I'll take a look later on. I'll render some .wavs with nothing on them at all and take off my shit attempts at tuning. I wish she'd get herself some decent gear so she could do things over more easily.

Well, I just found out my weekend is clear after all, but Monday-Wednesday will be a friggen nightmare. So I can work on it this weekend if you get a chance to dig out the files. 24 bit/44100 WAVs if possible to keep res as high as possible?