Today's afternoon delight - Street Fighting Man

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Just got around to listening to the new mix on my AKG reference cans at home! Sounds great. The wallop on the floor tom sounds really good. Its like the massive timpany in Sunrise by Strauss!
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JD01 wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:10 am Just got around to listening to the new mix on my AKG reference cans at home! Sounds great. The wallop on the floor tom sounds really good. Its like the massive timpany in Sunrise by Strauss!
WhiskeyJack wrote: Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:45 pm First listen. Sorry man.

This is really cool man On it's own. I am not overly familiar with the original but this as it's own thing is Gnarly.

The drums sound way bigger than how you usually have them. to my ears any way. The guitars sound mint as always. If i had anything at all that i would personally change would be dial the shaker back a little bit. When i have the tune cranked in here it kind of dominates the mix. I am not sure if it is integral in homage to the original or you just want your shakin skills heard up close or what but that would be all i would chnage really. :like: :like:
Thanks gents. I'm sending these tracks to an old buddy that's just getting into recording. Let him have a stab at mixing real stuff. I'm gonna try to get him registered here.
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Name dropping 2001 probably would have resonated better with folk - the Strauss still smacks of that three step thing...
[BBvideo=560,315]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmuNxYLxTs[/BBvideo]
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Listening to them back to back they're not actually that similar. Its just that they have a similar impact and draw attention to themselves - which is actually quite unusual for a floor tom. Obviously classical timpani is meant to draw attention to itself and be massive.

Ray, that's a terrible recording of Sunrise - sounds like it was done with VSTs! In which case its pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o
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JD01 wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:50 am Listening to them back to back they're not actually that similar. Its just that they have a similar impact and draw attention to themselves - which is actually quite unusual for a floor tom. Obviously classical timpani is meant to draw attention to itself and be massive.

Ray, that's a terrible recording of Sunrise - sounds like it was done with VSTs! In which case its pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o
[BBvideo=560,315]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpJ6anurfuw[/BBvideo]
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Wtf is happening here? What the hell are yall talking about?
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Greg_L wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:31 am Wtf is happening here? What the hell are yall talking about?
JD thought your FT sounded a bit like a Timpanum
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Bubba wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:35 am JD thought your FT sounded a bit like a Timpanum
Ah yes. When tuned properly, floor toms do boom and resonate. And mine are medium/large - 16 and 18 inches - so yeah. I like them that way. I don't like flattened dead toms.
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Greg_L wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:40 am
Bubba wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:35 am JD thought your FT sounded a bit like a Timpanum
Ah yes. When tuned properly, floor toms do boom and resonate. And mine are medium/large - 16 and 18 inches - so yeah. I like them that way. I don't like flattened dead toms.
Yeah, that's all. When you wallop it in the intro, it has a lot of impact, like in Sunrise - that piece immediately sprang to mind when I heard your mix.
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Really nice Greg! I'm a fan of the original and your version is really good! Big, in your face, tight, and I agree with the bass poking out here and there adding a nice element. I wouldn't change a thing in version 2, though the tambo does rather abruptly stop. That's OK, gives it a live feel like he just got wrapped up and decided to quit hitting it and focus on the vocal.

Super! Wish I could have an afternoon with such success. When you know the song so well, makes it easier to capture a good performance.

Question: Do you track all the instruments first to a click and then add the drums toward the end of tracking? What order?
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einstein magoo wrote: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:00 pm Really nice Greg! I'm a fan of the original and your version is really good! Big, in your face, tight, and I agree with the bass poking out here and there adding a nice element. I wouldn't change a thing in version 2, though the tambo does rather abruptly stop. That's OK, gives it a live feel like he just got wrapped up and decided to quit hitting it and focus on the vocal.

Super! Wish I could have an afternoon with such success. When you know the song so well, makes it easier to capture a good performance.

Question: Do you track all the instruments first to a click and then add the drums toward the end of tracking? What order?
Thanks man, I appreciate it.

My usual order of recording is to start with a junky scratch guitar or bass track to the click just so I have something to drum along to. Then I'll track the keeper drums to that scratch track. Drums are the first serious recording to get done. Once the drums are done, then everything else gets added in no particular order....except vocals are usually last.
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Greg_L wrote: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:20 pm
einstein magoo wrote: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:00 pm Really nice Greg! I'm a fan of the original and your version is really good! Big, in your face, tight, and I agree with the bass poking out here and there adding a nice element. I wouldn't change a thing in version 2, though the tambo does rather abruptly stop. That's OK, gives it a live feel like he just got wrapped up and decided to quit hitting it and focus on the vocal.

Super! Wish I could have an afternoon with such success. When you know the song so well, makes it easier to capture a good performance.

Question: Do you track all the instruments first to a click and then add the drums toward the end of tracking? What order?
Thanks man, I appreciate it.

My usual order of recording is to start with a junky scratch guitar or bass track to the click just so I have something to drum along to. Then I'll track the keeper drums to that scratch track. Drums are the first serious recording to get done. Once the drums are done, then everything else gets added in no particular order....except vocals are usually last.

Thanks! Helps me a lot. I'm still having trouble doing anything with a click. Think I'm concentrating too much on the click instead of just using it as a reference. I'm pretty good maintaining tempo without a click but certainly not perfect, and a lot of what I do has tempo and time sig changes.

Mainly I just don't spend enough time in front of the DAW, and I also have a monitoring issue with the Tascam US1800 being light on headphone monitoring volume. I know there's a blend knob to mix the recorded tracks and click with the new track, just need more practice and I'm too lazy. I have a cheap 4 channel headphone amp but it's just more of a splitter than an amp (Samson S-amp). Newb issues I know. Thanks again.
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einstein magoo wrote: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:38 pm


Thanks! Helps me a lot. I'm still having trouble doing anything with a click. Think I'm concentrating too much on the click instead of just using it as a reference. I'm pretty good maintaining tempo without a click but certainly not perfect, and a lot of what I do has tempo and time sig changes.

Mainly I just don't spend enough time in front of the DAW, and I also have a monitoring issue with the Tascam US1800 being light on headphone monitoring volume. I know there's a blend knob to mix the recorded tracks and click with the new track, just need more practice and I'm too lazy. I have a cheap 4 channel headphone amp but it's just more of a splitter than an amp (Samson S-amp). Newb issues I know. Thanks again.
Doing single tracks to a click is tough for some people to get used to. Al I can tell you is to find a click sound that's easy to kind of ignore while still following the guide. Some people are fine with the beep-beep-boop sound, some people like cowbells, hi hats, dogs barking, whatever. You'll get to a point where the click is running and you're following along, but you don't even hear it. You play with and around the click, and it's there, but you don't notice it.

As for tempo and time sig changes, that can all be programmed into the click. You can set up timing and tempo markers that change the bpm, and you can even tailor it to be a gradual change if you want.
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Haha, you do a better job in an afternoon than I can do in months! Solid work Greg - I've heard better from you, but I figure you usually take a bit longer over your own songs.
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as always, your standards of recording, even when you just throw something down, put mine to shame.

Impressive which is pretty much all you do
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jonny deep wrote: Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:01 am Haha, you do a better job in an afternoon than I can do in months! Solid work Greg - I've heard better from you, but I figure you usually take a bit longer over your own songs.
Lt. Bob wrote: Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:48 pm as always, your standards of recording, even when you just throw something down, put mine to shame.

Impressive which is pretty much all you do
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