The Jongleurs Remix Project 11 - Truth and Distance

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3 to go... :wink: His turn to sing. :biggrin:

This was about my least favourite mix of the album - this or Gypsy #4 - I was conflicted with the song, because I'm not normally a "straight love song" guy, so it's not my favourite of Richard's tunes, but it sounds beautiful with the harmonies.

The other problem I had was, on the original, Richard doesn't play. And it's his tune. Essentially we play the same thing apart from the solo, and it should have sounded great with two different guys and two different guitars L and R playing the same thing - but it didn't work out that way. :frown:

I tracked Richard's "side" but didn't listen to it closely, and when it came to mixing I realised his execution wasn't as good as it could have been. It's pure fingerstyle - something I've been recording, with myself as the guitarist, for a very long time, so I know how to play it. When I listened to Richard's take, however, he was barely touching some of the strings, and with L and R it sounded very lopsided - it simply didn't work - and with regret it consigned his track to the cutting room floor and retracked another take of me - remembering that we simply had no time to do otherwise at this point.

I felt bad about doing it and he wasn't happy either, as the song clearly has some great meaning for him, but there was a CD to finish. In this version, I've resurrected his track and mixed it in on the L side, so I feel better about the final result of the new mix, at least.

As well, the drum quality on the original was pretty bad and so it was mixed very, very low. And I had a cheesy piano that was a MIDI piano that I'd somehow lost the MIDI file for, so I had to rework that again with Pianoteq, which was an absolute pain. Some general EQing and I ditched the de-esser plug I used and did it all manually. And there was a lot of it! Some tinkering with the solos. Not that much change, really.

Anyway, I'm much happier with this mix. Incidentally, the ending was my GF's idea - which I adopted, but told her it wasn't enough to get her a production credit on the cover, alas... :lollers:





Made some adjustments based on various feedbacks and some re-listening of my own.





Updated based on JD's obs and some piano twerking...




Original...

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The manual de-essing is much better.
The original is slightly darker and "warmer" though that could be any number of things.
The new drums are much better.
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This one wasn't really my favorite the first time around either.

Comparing the two, it looks like you cleaned up some kind of distortion on the vox, which is good.
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Thanks [mention]rayc[/mention] and [mention]vomitHatSteve[/mention] - I think the distortion was that de-essing plug. These days, painful as it is to do - I just do about a 6dB cut in volume (sometimes more) for the length of the offending syllable. Easy to spot with the spectral display in Reaper.

I'm getting to the stage now where I need to tell Richard what I've been doing. I texted him yesterday, to see if he was still even in Sydney - he texted back and asked how I was, so I texted a long text describing this work, amongst other things, and I never heard back... :eep:

Only two left after this and I've already done them. But it feels like putting more than one a week up is bludgeoning the forum at the moment... :biggrin:

The question of what to do with it all when I'm finished is coming up in my mind too. Tempted to do a new CD on Kunaki, but reallly, is anyone going to buy it? Probably not. Plus I still have at least a box of the original CDs left... :mad2: Will discuss with Richard when he gets back to me. Probably just give them away to anyone who wants them, as a replacement set of files for their device of choice.
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The guitars sound very nice. The lead vocal sounds pretty nice. There is a word or two here and there that has some high-end harshness. But it's just a note here and there. Bass is nice.

The lead vocal is plenty out front. You might be able to pull it down a db or so, at least in the verses.

The drums are pretty far back in the mix. I'm not sure if I like them there or not.

Beautiful clean guitar sound.
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Thanks [mention]TripleM[/mention] - I've put a new version up top after putting a group fader over the entirety of the vocal set and done some automation - down at bit in the verses etc., depending upon what's going on instrumentally at the time.

Eq'd the lead vocal a bit - the harshness was particularly apparent on the extended word "blame", I thought, so pulled the harmonics and high end in on that note, and applied it generally - seems a little less harsh to me now.

Turned the drums up a bit here and there and automated the snare in and out a bit depending upon the rest of the song. Also did a few minor changes in the end vocal section to emphasise a descending note of mine more.
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These remixes are great Armi. Much more polished efforts than the first go round. Sorry i haven;t gotten to all of them but generally speaking you got your workflow sorted and they all have no where to go but better. this one doesn't have that nasally cartony treatment i had head on one of the others so that is good.

Lots more high end clarity and crispyness that i would say adds a bit of cooler feel to the songs for sure.
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I think this sounds done.

If you really want to get picky, I might nudge down the lead vocal in the first verse. Since there are no drums in the first verse, it kind of causes the vocal to stick out a bit more. OK that's about as nitpicky as it gets.

It sounds great.
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TripleM wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:50 pm I think this sounds done.

If you really want to get picky, I might nudge down the lead vocal in the first verse. Since there are no drums in the first verse, it kind of causes the vocal to stick out a bit more. OK that's about as nitpicky as it gets.

It sounds great.
Thanks. Actually did that, tidied up the ending a bit and a few other minor, minor, minor tweaks to individual drum hits.... I won't put a new version up however. Calling it done.
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Quick comment - can you bring a bit more low end into this? Are the guitars hi passed a bit too much?
In the middle where the guitar solos (sound fucking great by the way) are playing it all sounds pretty thin and trebbly.

If you've decided to just call it done, there's nothing really wrong with it though.
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JD01 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:27 am Quick comment - can you bring a bit more low end into this? Are the guitars hi passed a bit too much?
In the middle where the guitar solos (sound fucking great by the way) are playing it all sounds pretty thin and trebbly.

If you've decided to just call it done, there's nothing really wrong with it though.
I'll have a listen - I'm still tinkering with all sorts of stuff at the edges - especially frequency balance and especially in tunes where there aren't drums or the drums are quite "light" as with this one. Cheers
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Yeah, I did have them high passed for perhaps a busier mix with a lot more "stuff" going on, so I've lowered the frequency on that a little. I also decided the piano was a bit timid and apologetic and needed to be thumped harder, without actually putting it higher in the mix, and I found a piano I liked better...

Updated mix in the OP.
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Yeah, that's what I was getting it. There's not that much difference really. But previously I was drawn to how thin it sounded, that feeling is gone now.
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