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Re: Tom Petty Cover

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musicturtle wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:30 pm
WhiskeyJack wrote: Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:18 pm

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Seriously though...I went back into Cubse and the artifact wasnt there. So I did another mixdown and there it was. I went back into Cubase and I heard it, but only on the first playback, then it went away. I figured it was part of the clip, even though it wasnt a punch in, just a recording on a new track. So I re-tracked the part and the click still happens at the beginning of that wave clip. But only on mixdown.

A little frustrating to say the least.
One question for you followed by a possible solution.

Question: Do you have any plugins running while you track or post tracking that might have an aggressive response to a weird finger motion on your guitar strings??

Possible Solution: I am not entirely familiar with cubase and how it's track cross fades work but this video can walk you through it. What you could do (and what i do all the time no matter what) is set up that part to punch record a good 20 or 25 seconds before the part needs to get played as well as a good 20 to 25 seconds afterwards and once the performance is done and all instrumentation has ceased, and then just use a slow fade into the performance using the crossfade features. Even though you aren't patching two sections together, it will give you a nice transition in and out of the played portion.

Maybe you are doing this already? I don't know but i would start here if you are not.

I used to have horrible clicks and pops at the beginning and end of individually tracked guitar solos and all that went away when started using those little fades.

EDIT: also before cross fading i will shorten up that 20-25 second bits of dead space a little! I just use that to give the software, and all that plenty of time to think about what it's doing. in theory you should be able to chop that back to like three second and then fade into the performance. :happytrees:
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Re: Tom Petty Cover

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WhiskeyJack wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:12 pm

One question for you followed by a possible solution.

Question: Do you have any plugins running while you track or post tracking that might have an aggressive response to a weird finger motion on your guitar strings??

Possible Solution: I am not entirely familiar with cubase and how it's track cross fades work but this video can walk you through it. What you could do (and what i do all the time no matter what) is set up that part to punch record a good 20 or 25 seconds before the part needs to get played as well as a good 20 to 25 seconds afterwards and once the performance is done and all instrumentation has ceased, and then just use a slow fade into the performance using the crossfade features. Even though you aren't patching two sections together, it will give you a nice transition in and out of the played portion.

Maybe you are doing this already? I don't know but i would start here if you are not.

I used to have horrible clicks and pops at the beginning and end of individually tracked guitar solos and all that went away when started using those little fades.

EDIT: also before cross fading i will shorten up that 20-25 second bits of dead space a little! I just use that to give the software, and all that plenty of time to think about what it's doing. in theory you should be able to chop that back to like three second and then fade into the performance. :happytrees:
Thanks for the idea WJ. The answer to your question is I that I am certain its not a stray sound made the guitar. I thought it was caused by trimming the wave clip but when I stretched the clip back out the sound moved to the beginning of the clip. When I recorded a new take it was also at the beginning of the clip.

I did try to fade in the clip but that didnt work. I am gonna try adding a new track and recording there and see if it happens.

Edit:
Found the source and solution. It happened when the audio file/clip started with that amp sim. When I went into automation for that track and kept the fader all the way down when the clip started and then pulled it up right before the solo, it was gone. I also found it on other clips, it was just hidden by the rest of the instruments.

Thanks for your tip, it lead me in the right direction. :smiles:
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Re: Tom Petty Cover

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Not bad MT, this is a song I've heard countless times, & you've done a pretty good job on it...

Take all this with a grain of salt, as I'm in no way a mix engineer, these few nits just stuck out to me...
  • I personally think the drums & bass should be a bit louder in the mix, it might help to "glue" everything together a little better...

    When turning the drums up, I'd turn the reverb on 'em down a smidge, again, this may help to glue it all together...

    I'm a big fan of automation, & IMHO I think the lead vocal needs it here/there...I usually go line by line, or sometimes even word by word, just depending on the source...A compressor can do a big part of this, but automation has a lot more control...
Again, this ain't me trying to bash your recording/mix dude, I'm just being honest & trying to help...

You've pretty much got the vibe of the song here, you've done a great job all-around & there's nothing wrong with this at all...Keep after it & you'll only get better dude...
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Re: Tom Petty Cover

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Minerman wrote: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:28 pm Not bad MT, this is a song I've heard countless times, & you've done a pretty good job on it...

Take all this with a grain of salt, as I'm in no way a mix engineer, these few nits just stuck out to me...
  • I personally think the drums & bass should be a bit louder in the mix, it might help to "glue" everything together a little better...

    When turning the drums up, I'd turn the reverb on 'em down a smidge, again, this may help to glue it all together...

    I'm a big fan of automation, & IMHO I think the lead vocal needs it here/there...I usually go line by line, or sometimes even word by word, just depending on the source...A compressor can do a big part of this, but automation has a lot more control...
Again, this ain't me trying to bash your recording/mix dude, I'm just being honest & trying to help...

You've pretty much got the vibe of the song here, you've done a great job all-around & there's nothing wrong with this at all...Keep after it & you'll only get better dude...
Thanks for the listen Miner...I will never take any critiques here personally, I mean why post in a place like this if you are not looking for feedback? I have done three recordings since I have been posting here and my sound is already worlds better. So thank you for offering up your ears.

As far as this song goes, I get what you are saying about the bass and drums, I went back and forth with it and finally settled where it is.

As I listen more and more the vocal could use some gain riding as well, especially in the first verse. I may go back and play with it or just live with it, as I have already started some other projects.
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musicturtle wrote: Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:13 am Thanks for the listen Miner...I will never take any critiques here personally, I mean why post in a place like this if you are not looking for feedback? I have done three recordings since I have been posting here and my sound is already worlds better. So thank you for offering up your ears.
I try to tread lightly on my nits/reviews because a lot of folks just can't take any criticism whatsoever...I've been into many a shitstorm in other forums over this, when all I was trying to do is help...So I usually throw that into a review just to keep the peace...
musicturtle wrote: Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:13 amAs far as this song goes, I get what you are saying about the bass and drums, I went back and forth with it and finally settled where it is.

As I listen more and more the vocal could use some gain riding as well, especially in the first verse. I may go back and play with it or just live with it, as I have already started some other projects.
What you're calling gain riding is the automation I was referring to...Some folks call it fader riding, but really it's all the same thing...A compressor can get you most of the way there, but it doesn't have the control that automation does IMO...


I still stand by my opinion that you've done a really good job on this dude...
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Re: Tom Petty Cover

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I liked the overall sound on this MT - (listening to the first version). I don't think the drums sound overtly programmed and I do really love the "roomy" vibe from them. As has already been said, the drums need beefing up a fair bit in the bottom end, particularly the kick. It sounds like you're mixing with 90% room mic/overheads or something.

It's a really good vocal for this genre but I'd tweak it down ever so slightly and take some bite out of it, around the 3-5kHz point. I'd like a touch of wetness from reverb, too - if not overdone it should smooth the harshness a little.

The guitars in general sound great but the lead guitar that comes in about midway (1.5 minutes or so?) is too loud for me.

I like it, I'm going to listen to the tweaks, now. :)
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Listened to the tweaks, MT. Happy to say you've addressed all my concerns except the loud guitar that comes in about 1:45. This is a really good job.

On second listen the drum pattern particularly at the beginning could do with a littla added interest - some ghosting on the hi-hat and snare?

Anyway, I assume you've moved on from this now. :)
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Re: Tom Petty Cover

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Bubba wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:13 am Listened to the tweaks, MT. Happy to say you've addressed all my concerns except the loud guitar that comes in about 1:45. This is a really good job.

On second listen the drum pattern particularly at the beginning could do with a littla added interest - some ghosting on the hi-hat and snare?

Anyway, I assume you've moved on from this now. :)
Thanks for listening Bubba. Yeah I have moved on from this one but I hear what you are saying. Still really just beginning to dabble in drum programming so I am trying to keep it simple at first. I did want that guitar part a little louder, I guess I achieved my goal :lollers:
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