(They're) Gone So Fast - will be first track on an EP

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Updates: much agonizing over this (and the other tunes to go on the EP), with some frustration to the point of throwing my hands up in the air and ignoring it for a week or two. Spent a handful of hours watching mixing-technique videos on youtube. Weighed the pros/cons of retracking bits and pieces. Contemplated throwing it all away...

...But then decided to be more grown up and a little more disciplined. Listened and focused one one thing the whole way through, like say the interaction of the bass and kick, taking notes* along the way. Then listened another time, this time maybe trying to hear clashing/masking sounds between guitars and vocals. Repeat ad naseaum, still taking notes. Followed through on said notes. Stuff like that.

I've still got a ways to go (background vocals on this one in particular, then there's those four other tunes, damn it!), but I think this mix is an improvement over the last one:

goneSoFast_eqThickerGtrs_moreComp_slippySlidey.mp3

What changes did I make? Among dozens of other tiny things:
- eased up a bit on low-cuts on the rhythm guitars; tweaked the EQ so they're a bit thicker sounding, but still clear
- doubled-up on compression (using two or more compressor plugins, each doing a bit less "squishing") on the bass and the lead vocal
- slicing up and sliding around the more egregious timing errors (after deciding that I'd rather throw it all away than re-track :frown: )
- created a send to an aux track for the bass wherein I added some distortion; shaped the distorted aux track with EQ, rolling off below 700hz (and above ~3k), then fading the distorted aux track in until it added a bit of clarity to the bass line but didn't interfere with other stuff




*An interesting thing I learned about taking notes during critical listening: I think I do better if the notes are things like "the rhythm guitars are a little thin here, could use more heft" than if my notes read "need to boost low-mids here". My notes should identify the problems, but not specify the solutions; I'll get to the solutions when I'm in "fix it" mode.

Why? I (naturally?) want to fix stuff while I'm listening, but if I do that, then I'm not really listening as carefully as I should be, right?
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The vocal is really far forward compared with the guitars... but the main guitar riff sounds almost central, while the other guitar strumming open chords seems out much wider on the left. If you move the main riff over to the right a bit you should be able to get the vocal to sit back a bit further between the guitars.
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So... I haven't listened to this since May...

Browsing the thread quickly, there were apparently timing issues earlier. They're not sticking out to me now, did you retrack that part?

I'm noticing some clicks on some consonants. Specifically the second "Gone so fast" in the first chorus. It sounds like your tongue is clicking against your soft palatte on the G maybe?
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vomitHatSteve wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:31 pm Browsing the thread quickly, there were apparently timing issues earlier. They're not sticking out to me now, did you retrack that part?
Nope. :nyuk: (At this point, with these tunes, I truly dread re-tracking...) I used the magic of the DAW to fix those:
SweetDan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:11 am What changes did I make? Among dozens of other tiny things:
...
- slicing up and sliding around the more egregious timing errors (after deciding that I'd rather throw it all away than re-track :frown: )
...
I was lucky in that of the 2 or sometimes 3 guitar parts present, I was able to rely on at least one of those being "on" the beat, so I'd just slice-n-slide the other part(s) to match. And it makes me :smiles: to know that I did enough editing so the timing issues aren't noticeable.

(Slice-N-Slide - that has a nice ring to it.)
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JD01 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:29 am The vocal is really far forward compared with the guitars... but the main guitar riff sounds almost central, while the other guitar strumming open chords seems out much wider on the left. If you move the main riff over to the right a bit you should be able to get the vocal to sit back a bit further between the guitars.

Did that - http://eastofcleveland.com/m/traveling_ ... queaks.mp3 - but there's yet more to do...I think I want to clean up and smooth out the background vocals before I post the mix here again.

However, your comment brought up an interesting point. I listened critically to each of the tunes I'm prepping for the EP in headphones, and notice they all lean left a bit. I was actually surprised at how consistent the effect was from song to song. I think it's because of the set-up of my studio monitors, the computer monitor, and my desk.

The desk is a pain in that there's a cabinet underneath and on the right-side, forcing me to sit towards the left. I've attempted to compensate by offsetting the whole thing to the right a bit, to keep my seating position centered with respect to the studio monitor positions (keeping an equilateral triangle between my head and the monitors), but the edge of the computer monitor is in the line-of-sight with the left studio monitor.

I didn't think it would make too much difference, but apparently that overlap of a couple inches on one side (and none on the other) could interfere with how I hear enough that I compensate by turning up things on that side a bit louder. I'll have to move some furniture and/or the computer monitor, check and adjust my mixes, then report back.
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